Devils Vs steelers - CC 1/4F - 14th Dec 22 - 19:30 FO - Part 2 Spectacular
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This.
I don't want to dominate every game like Finny puts it.
But I do want a team that will leave it all out there, with every player willing to go through a brick wall for each other. If I see 100% committed hockey and the opposition knowing that they'll have to scrap for every inch of the ice in our barn then the result doesn't matter so much for me.
I don't want to dominate every game like Finny puts it.
But I do want a team that will leave it all out there, with every player willing to go through a brick wall for each other. If I see 100% committed hockey and the opposition knowing that they'll have to scrap for every inch of the ice in our barn then the result doesn't matter so much for me.
They haven't been as clear about it this year as they were last.
The roster rules do mention it briefly though, along with the increase in max imports you can sign of 20 (outside IR)
https://www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/2406-gameday-roster-size-increased-to-20
The roster rules do mention it briefly though, along with the increase in max imports you can sign of 20 (outside IR)
https://www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/2406-gameday-roster-size-increased-to-20
That’s all I could find too. If there is one, surely details would have been published? If details have not been released, then we can only assume that there isn’t one, because it’s quite a big deal! If that is the case, it explains why some have been carrying extra bodies and chopping and changing who starts.
I take you point about having someone in place to put someone on IR but that wasn’t my point.
I was pointing out that we haven’t put anyone on IR so it’s unlikely we’ll get in some injury cover.
Since you mentioned Coughler, the club may describe him as day to day now, but he’s been out injured for 5 weeks already and if he doesn’t play this weekend it’ll be 7 weeks by the Boxing day game.
So I ask the question, should he have been put on IR weeks ago?
I was pointing out that we haven’t put anyone on IR so it’s unlikely we’ll get in some injury cover.
Since you mentioned Coughler, the club may describe him as day to day now, but he’s been out injured for 5 weeks already and if he doesn’t play this weekend it’ll be 7 weeks by the Boxing day game.
So I ask the question, should he have been put on IR weeks ago?
In hindsight yes but given the nature of his injury I can understand their reluctance. He might well be back Saturday or we might not see him again this season, that's the frustration. Much easier when you have (say) a broken ankle where there is a clear timeframe for recovery.
I share a lot of the frustration of others about not bringing in reinforcements but IR is tricky to manage given the fact that you can't just switch people in and out.
I share a lot of the frustration of others about not bringing in reinforcements but IR is tricky to manage given the fact that you can't just switch people in and out.
Thats the one gentlemans agreemant....yeah right.....fox..keefe, must be laughing their socks off over that....get an accountant in to check their wage bills and i mean the real wage bills, not the ones where accomidation and cars and expenses are included...if there was a wage cap announced by the lge , where is it ?..all a load of balls, these bigger arena clubs know the likes of smaller lge clubs, aint got the money in the coffers and still break wage caps..todd goes on about breaking the limit, so what is the effing limit, NO THERE ISNT ONE AS ITS BOLLOCKS...Soz for rant but we are being shafted big time buy the clubs with a bottomless cashpot...just saying..
If it does still exist, I hope they reconsider the IR list next season with such lengthy de-registration times. As kettdevil says, it’s all well and good to have and much easier to manage with a defined injury of known recovery time but that’s not always the case and it’s put us at a disadvantage here, if indeed it’s still in place. Replace it with a slightly more realistic and enforceable salary cap (with point deduction penalties if teams go above the cap - we can but dream!), which could allow teams to be a little more flexible in their recruitment.
I was being a bit sarcastic because an organisation like the Devils not purchasing at least 3 properties to house players would be a bit weird. Why pay rent when a mortgage is far cheaper, it’s a tax benefit, has investment potential and negates the problem of finding suitable accommodation in the future. Maybe I’m completely wrong & they haven’t 
I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just genuinely confused by this statement above, how are we as fans being shafted by the club? It really doesn't matter if the weekly wage bill is £500k or £500, that is nothing to do with us. We see what the club signs before the league starts and it's up to us as fans if we want to invest the money to watch the roster the club puts out there. I do feel sorry for season ticket holders this year though as very few predicted this season was going to be such a rollercoaster train crash of crap and lots of us, myself included thought we would be pushing for honours, but you cant win em all.
Why doesn’t the league publish the “rules”, well its not rocket science why they don’t.
As for Lord, Skalde, Dupont, or Roland Rat coaching it’s not going to be an instant success. There needs to be an admittance of incompetence, not to fans but to themselves, address the issues, work on solutions & start making improvements, at the very least try. To publicly dismiss what is blindingly obvious is just insulting & reeks of self entitlement, the previous success will erode pretty quickly with that attitude.
As a fan who does make it to most games & has for many many many years, that is soon going to be a past tense statement, it’s simply a waste of money. Ive been critical of fans leaving any sports venue early, the thought of people calling themselves “fans” when only attending the good times made me nauseous. But here I am, unfortunately.
Is the salary cap to blame, Todd is the main supporter of it, since the league and club woes of 2003 in which Belfast was amongst the clubs in serious financial issues Todd has since becoming a GM made it a priority to retain the cap. Yet it’s pretty obvious it’s either being ignored or doesn’t exsist. Something needs to be rectified, transparent rules & defined penalties or just plain honest agreements. Without the whole league playing the same tune, it’s almost certainly going to bite back.
I’ve lost the small amount of respect l had for Todd, him coming from Belfast, almost as bad as having that fat 8wat from Steelers. Under Lords coaching from day one his passion and shear gut tearing enthusiasm for the Devils as a player was transferred, like others have stated, he had that Devils ethos, the players echoed that. Within 2 yr two under Lord, l started noticing it slowly being drained, every year more people started talking about the lack of fight, lack of physical play, lack of passion up too Lords departure, now it’s been fully flushed away. That l blame on Todd, the businessman, not the player, unfortunately.
As for Lord, Skalde, Dupont, or Roland Rat coaching it’s not going to be an instant success. There needs to be an admittance of incompetence, not to fans but to themselves, address the issues, work on solutions & start making improvements, at the very least try. To publicly dismiss what is blindingly obvious is just insulting & reeks of self entitlement, the previous success will erode pretty quickly with that attitude.
As a fan who does make it to most games & has for many many many years, that is soon going to be a past tense statement, it’s simply a waste of money. Ive been critical of fans leaving any sports venue early, the thought of people calling themselves “fans” when only attending the good times made me nauseous. But here I am, unfortunately.
Is the salary cap to blame, Todd is the main supporter of it, since the league and club woes of 2003 in which Belfast was amongst the clubs in serious financial issues Todd has since becoming a GM made it a priority to retain the cap. Yet it’s pretty obvious it’s either being ignored or doesn’t exsist. Something needs to be rectified, transparent rules & defined penalties or just plain honest agreements. Without the whole league playing the same tune, it’s almost certainly going to bite back.
I’ve lost the small amount of respect l had for Todd, him coming from Belfast, almost as bad as having that fat 8wat from Steelers. Under Lords coaching from day one his passion and shear gut tearing enthusiasm for the Devils as a player was transferred, like others have stated, he had that Devils ethos, the players echoed that. Within 2 yr two under Lord, l started noticing it slowly being drained, every year more people started talking about the lack of fight, lack of physical play, lack of passion up too Lords departure, now it’s been fully flushed away. That l blame on Todd, the businessman, not the player, unfortunately.
I think the reason for some fans not warming to Dupont is that he didn't burn up the ice when he played for us, then he hardly played for us only 19 games, then won the CC and next thing he's head coach for this season.
Compared to other players/coaches we've had in reality the fans hardly know the guy so no one has a real connection with him and now we're in the place we are hardly anyone has confidence in him.
The days have gone where we would brush shoulders with our players and coach on a regular basis so we had connections with them, now players come, play and go so they may as well be strangers we pass on the street. This seasons new players i wouldn't recognise if they came up and asked me for my autograph
Compared to other players/coaches we've had in reality the fans hardly know the guy so no one has a real connection with him and now we're in the place we are hardly anyone has confidence in him.
The days have gone where we would brush shoulders with our players and coach on a regular basis so we had connections with them, now players come, play and go so they may as well be strangers we pass on the street. This seasons new players i wouldn't recognise if they came up and asked me for my autograph
I was being a bit sarcastic because an organisation like the Devils not purchasing at least 3 properties to house players would be a bit weird. Why pay rent when a mortgage is far cheaper, it’s a tax benefit, has investment potential and negates the problem of finding suitable accommodation in the future. Maybe I’m completely wrong & they haven’t
Hmmmm. Now we are getting into complicated areas of opinion.
I’m not a fan of running the club as a retirement resort for old timers to bring their families. Ideally I’d like young talented, hungry players less than 30 who are happy in a shared apartment. I’m not a fan of family men playing, they’ve mostly been missing in games, makes doing the school run difficult with an injury.
A house in 2015 is worth significantly more now, so a healthy average, off the top of my head, would be worth 25% ish more today than then, pretty good investment. Also you’d pay the mortgage with rent income charged to the Company, so it wouldn’t cost the investor. You’ve heard the term, money makes money, it’s why many business owners invest in property, especially professional sports clubs, let’s not get to bogged down talking who’s right or wrong though. If you are happy that Todd isn’t feeding people a line, fine.
I’m not a fan of running the club as a retirement resort for old timers to bring their families. Ideally I’d like young talented, hungry players less than 30 who are happy in a shared apartment. I’m not a fan of family men playing, they’ve mostly been missing in games, makes doing the school run difficult with an injury.
A house in 2015 is worth significantly more now, so a healthy average, off the top of my head, would be worth 25% ish more today than then, pretty good investment. Also you’d pay the mortgage with rent income charged to the Company, so it wouldn’t cost the investor. You’ve heard the term, money makes money, it’s why many business owners invest in property, especially professional sports clubs, let’s not get to bogged down talking who’s right or wrong though. If you are happy that Todd isn’t feeding people a line, fine.
I think the reason for some fans not warming to Dupont is that he didn't burn up the ice when he played for us, then he hardly played for us only 19 games, then won the CC and next thing he's head coach for this season.
Compared to other players/coaches we've had in reality the fans hardly know the guy so no one has a real connection with him and now we're in the place we are hardly anyone has confidence in him.
The days have gone where we would brush shoulders with our players and coach on a regular basis so we had connections with them, now players come, play and go so they may as well be strangers we pass on the street. This seasons new players i wouldn't recognise if they came up and asked me for my autograph
Compared to other players/coaches we've had in reality the fans hardly know the guy so no one has a real connection with him and now we're in the place we are hardly anyone has confidence in him.
The days have gone where we would brush shoulders with our players and coach on a regular basis so we had connections with them, now players come, play and go so they may as well be strangers we pass on the street. This seasons new players i wouldn't recognise if they came up and asked me for my autograph