My Bumper Cardiff Devils debate thread for boys (and girls)
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My thoughts exactly. Id actually think getting a player like colt king and a couple of tough d men like plumers who aint scared but can play, and put out fast hockey using whatever nationality will work fine. A team of goons wouldn't work. Its about balance. Svete looked brilliant last night. Id have him over olson for example.
My thoughts exactly. Id actually think getting a player like colt king and a couple of tough d men like plumers who aint scared but can play, and put out fast hockey using whatever nationality will work fine. A team of goons wouldn't work. Its about balance. Svete looked brilliant last night. Id have him over olson for example.
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+1
Isnt it ironic that several people are moaning that the team would be weakened by the transition to a European/North American mix yet right now our team is demonstrating it works. All our new players so far have been performing well. It is very refreshing to see.
In a league predominately Canadian/American imports we cannot possibly 'write off' Europeans.....because there have not been enough of them for us to make proper assessment.
Isnt it all about balance? A team needs to posess a mixture of skill, speed and toughness.....irrespective of the nationality. And there are skilled and tough European players in leagues all over Europe... KHL, Slovakian, Austrian and German leagues for example.
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Isnt it ironic that several people are moaning that the team would be weakened by the transition to a European/North American mix yet right now our team is demonstrating it works. All our new players so far have been performing well. It is very refreshing to see.
In a league predominately Canadian/American imports we cannot possibly 'write off' Europeans.....because there have not been enough of them for us to make proper assessment.
Isnt it all about balance? A team needs to posess a mixture of skill, speed and toughness.....irrespective of the nationality. And there are skilled and tough European players in leagues all over Europe... KHL, Slovakian, Austrian and German leagues for example.
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I can't help feeling this preference for NA comes from the coaches who are mainly North Americans or played their careers with North Americans.
It wouldn't surprise me to find Giants have more euro players next season when Adey is signing rather than Kelman.
I can't help feeling this preference for NA comes from the coaches who are mainly North Americans or played their careers with North Americans.
It wouldn't surprise me to find Giants have more euro players next season when Adey is signing rather than Kelman.
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Hush you with your factual nonsense. Next you will be telling us that Mr Kurka had a lengthy spell in North America.
This nationality debate is academic, frankly, and has only become an issue due to PR saying the League has changed to go in that direction, which is simply not true unless you see the Devils as the ones doing the changing (23 non NA imports in the League and we have 7).
For me I don't see too many fans questioning the origin of players. I see them questioning the quality of them. If we signed extremely low-rent Canadians they wouldn't be happy then, either.
Hush you with your factual nonsense. Next you will be telling us that Mr Kurka had a lengthy spell in North America.
This nationality debate is academic, frankly, and has only become an issue due to PR saying the League has changed to go in that direction, which is simply not true unless you see the Devils as the ones doing the changing (23 non NA imports in the League and we have 7).
For me I don't see too many fans questioning the origin of players. I see them questioning the quality of them. If we signed extremely low-rent Canadians they wouldn't be happy then, either.
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The point being people are making quotes like low rent european. Low quality european. It is all a giant budget cut to bring the Devils down. They won't watch pansie euro hockey. All statements made, used as reasons to gather steam behind the Pope out banner. The simple answer is these people are talking crap about something they don't know and understand and hijacking a valid complaint to form an agenda because they want tough north american hockey. All these comments and remarks were made prior to this weekend when the guys had even touched the ice.
People like Plumton, they liked Cook. They haven't set the world alight in their careers so far so were they low rent North Americans bringing down the team. No they were quality value for money buys. As the europeans might be.
I'm being consistent here in saying. If the arguement with Poper is about player treatment then fair enough crack on. But if it drifts to fan interference with hockey policy I'm going to jump all over it because that is agenda something this clearly isn't about.
The point being people are making quotes like low rent european. Low quality european. It is all a giant budget cut to bring the Devils down. They won't watch pansie euro hockey. All statements made, used as reasons to gather steam behind the Pope out banner. The simple answer is these people are talking crap about something they don't know and understand and hijacking a valid complaint to form an agenda because they want tough north american hockey. All these comments and remarks were made prior to this weekend when the guys had even touched the ice.
People like Plumton, they liked Cook. They haven't set the world alight in their careers so far so were they low rent North Americans bringing down the team. No they were quality value for money buys. As the europeans might be.
I'm being consistent here in saying. If the arguement with Poper is about player treatment then fair enough crack on. But if it drifts to fan interference with hockey policy I'm going to jump all over it because that is agenda something this clearly isn't about.
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I think I've covered the trend aspects of where the league is going previously also. To say its not happening and that PR and Brent are wrong is an inaccuracy on your part. i know I'm coming of as a FOB here but I can't see topics used to get the sheep in a row that are purely in reality hockey topics of debate and opinion. That is no reason to stand and protest outside the drive someone from there post. The protest if it takes place has to be kept on topic of treatment of players and governance of the club in the public domain.
I think I've covered the trend aspects of where the league is going previously also. To say its not happening and that PR and Brent are wrong is an inaccuracy on your part. i know I'm coming of as a FOB here but I can't see topics used to get the sheep in a row that are purely in reality hockey topics of debate and opinion. That is no reason to stand and protest outside the drive someone from there post. The protest if it takes place has to be kept on topic of treatment of players and governance of the club in the public domain.
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But these aren't extremely low quality. All have played at arguably a better level than here in the past in finland, Austria and del. Just watching the games this weekend you could see this. Svete for example looking every part the dman we needed, fast and nimble. I would have liked to see a big stay at home dman with him but 2wins in 2nights (and robbed in Coventry) maybe im wrong!
Also yes kurka played NA but he was trained in Europe. That was the point in question. Euro hockey is a quality product. If it costs us less to see the equivalent standard brilliant. More money to be spent elsewhere. I just hope these guys ain't as keen to join the fans at the bar in all honesty and prefer to stay professional in their own approach.
But these aren't extremely low quality. All have played at arguably a better level than here in the past in finland, Austria and del. Just watching the games this weekend you could see this. Svete for example looking every part the dman we needed, fast and nimble. I would have liked to see a big stay at home dman with him but 2wins in 2nights (and robbed in Coventry) maybe im wrong!
Also yes kurka played NA but he was trained in Europe. That was the point in question. Euro hockey is a quality product. If it costs us less to see the equivalent standard brilliant. More money to be spent elsewhere. I just hope these guys ain't as keen to join the fans at the bar in all honesty and prefer to stay professional in their own approach.
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I would still like to see how the Devils North American imports faked against the top Euro leagues. Slavia Praha would trot past any team in the elite league, with their majority Czech raised and trained players. We are also forgetting the number of top flight NHL players signed from Europe on try out contracts. Like Bruner for NJ (formerly Detroit). The systems around the world are largely becoming harmonised.
I think his message is confused, but the thrust true. The IIHF (and NHL) and therefore the elite league are pushing a more open passing style of play through their choice of rules and how they enforce them. This is a long debate, but I think there is a convoys but unspoken desire to reduce the "fighting" to change the image of the sport. That is a debate for another thread... In the off season when we're bored.
But when we are taking about Euro I actually hear "faster, skilled player who can skate with the puck".
Maybe Brent has confused him message to his boss (for a change)
I do, a lot. On here and social media. Mooney has got it quite right, you support all the players or none of them. The new and the old. We should want them to all be treated fair.
quote="Paul Sullivan"]I see them questioning the quality of them.[/quote]
Often on the basis of never having seen them play, or having seem the situations we've signed them to play in.
quote="Paul Sullivan"]If we signed extremely low-rent Canadians they wouldn't be happy then, either.[/quote]
Finally what the argument should be.
Good players are good players. Regardless where they are from.
The benefit of signing the same quality euro player over a Canadian is the up front costs. Cheaper flights, no visas to apply or pay for etc. It is a good market for us to look in... If our budget remains the same we could pick up a stronger squad. Mixing in the academic draw for top end players from anywhere in the world.
Signing Euros doesn't change the quality of the squad, but signing useless players from anywhere does. Can we judge how useless the recent signings are yet?
I would still like to see how the Devils North American imports faked against the top Euro leagues. Slavia Praha would trot past any team in the elite league, with their majority Czech raised and trained players. We are also forgetting the number of top flight NHL players signed from Europe on try out contracts. Like Bruner for NJ (formerly Detroit). The systems around the world are largely becoming harmonised.
I think his message is confused, but the thrust true. The IIHF (and NHL) and therefore the elite league are pushing a more open passing style of play through their choice of rules and how they enforce them. This is a long debate, but I think there is a convoys but unspoken desire to reduce the "fighting" to change the image of the sport. That is a debate for another thread... In the off season when we're bored.
But when we are taking about Euro I actually hear "faster, skilled player who can skate with the puck".
Maybe Brent has confused him message to his boss (for a change)
I do, a lot. On here and social media. Mooney has got it quite right, you support all the players or none of them. The new and the old. We should want them to all be treated fair.
quote="Paul Sullivan"]I see them questioning the quality of them.[/quote]
Often on the basis of never having seen them play, or having seem the situations we've signed them to play in.
quote="Paul Sullivan"]If we signed extremely low-rent Canadians they wouldn't be happy then, either.[/quote]
Finally what the argument should be.
Good players are good players. Regardless where they are from.
The benefit of signing the same quality euro player over a Canadian is the up front costs. Cheaper flights, no visas to apply or pay for etc. It is a good market for us to look in... If our budget remains the same we could pick up a stronger squad. Mixing in the academic draw for top end players from anywhere in the world.
Signing Euros doesn't change the quality of the squad, but signing useless players from anywhere does. Can we judge how useless the recent signings are yet?
Disappointment
For starters Ragan on his interveiw lied and just said what fans want to hear
Brent pope is the worst coach I have ever seen and treats the players to point of they don't want to put the devils jersey on
Ragan treated g so badly and I am not surprised he hasn't cancelled g's testimonial
We have signed all these euro players we just don't need and then want to release old players that have been here from the start
How hard must it be for the players to be nervous all the time hoping to have a job by the end of the game
And there is more, but I would probably be here forever
P.s Brent's hats make him look idiotic and that's an understatement!
For starters Ragan on his interveiw lied and just said what fans want to hear
Brent pope is the worst coach I have ever seen and treats the players to point of they don't want to put the devils jersey on
Ragan treated g so badly and I am not surprised he hasn't cancelled g's testimonial
We have signed all these euro players we just don't need and then want to release old players that have been here from the start
How hard must it be for the players to be nervous all the time hoping to have a job by the end of the game
And there is more, but I would probably be here forever
P.s Brent's hats make him look idiotic and that's an understatement!
Why is it always negative??
I have been looking at this forum for some time now and all I ever see is negative posts?
It seems to me the fans get involved in the politics side of the club when they shouldn't.
Why don't you turn up support our team?
The players try there best and they need all the support they can get.
I have been looking at this forum for some time now and all I ever see is negative posts?
It seems to me the fans get involved in the politics side of the club when they shouldn't.
Why don't you turn up support our team?
The players try there best and they need all the support they can get.
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I just want to express my sympathy and thanks to the mods who are doing a great job in a very difficult situation.
The number of people from both camps starting threads to start the same old argument is getting ridiculous. Lots of threads are being locked and merged (and rightly so).
Please give the mods a break and just talk about hockey. By now we all know who thinks BP and PR are wrong and who doesn't so lets have a break.
If you need an argument that much then there is a special room for it here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c
I just want to express my sympathy and thanks to the mods who are doing a great job in a very difficult situation.
The number of people from both camps starting threads to start the same old argument is getting ridiculous. Lots of threads are being locked and merged (and rightly so).
Please give the mods a break and just talk about hockey. By now we all know who thinks BP and PR are wrong and who doesn't so lets have a break.
If you need an argument that much then there is a special room for it here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c
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Agree but lets be honest Chara only fights players below six foot and then holds on for dear life!! :smile:
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Zdeno Chára (Slovak) being a prime example of a pansie European who won't drop the gloves 
WD
I really dispare at some of you. It wouldn't matter what it was you'd be moaning. No doubts there's been some shabby pr put out etc but in all honesty you've gone beyond what a fan should know by getting close to the players and club. I think the best thing most of you could do is step back and just watch the bloody game... like me! We were really good last night. Get over on that thread and talk hockey
WD I really dispare at some of you. It wouldn't matter what it was you'd be moaning. No doubts there's been some shabby pr put out etc but in all honesty you've gone beyond what a fan should know by getting close to the players and club. I think the best thing most of you could do is step back and just watch the bloody game... like me! We were really good last night. Get over on that thread and talk hockey
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As someone who made the pansie euro comment i feel the need to clarify. I have no issue with European players and think a mix of players would be good for the league. What I took issue with was PR saying that we are going in the direction of a euro league. As a fan of the north American style first and foremost, i would be disappointed to see this.
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As someone who made the pansie euro comment i feel the need to clarify. I have no issue with European players and think a mix of players would be good for the league. What I took issue with was PR saying that we are going in the direction of a euro league. As a fan of the north American style first and foremost, i would be disappointed to see this.
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In fairness, I think that it's a reactionary move rather than anything else.
As Stub says, from the NHL down the game is changing and now foul play is being dealt with increasingly through the disciplinary process rather then on the ice. I enjoy the fights as part of the tactical make up of a hockey game. I don't want to see them disappear and think the instigator rule has a lot to answer for.
However, the game is only going one way and I can see why clubs would take an 'if you can't beat them join them' stance. Particularly as the Devils seem to get dealt with unjustly time after time when things go to the disciplinary process.
That said, continental European players are easily physical enough when it comes to hitting, it's just the fighting aspect that dwindles. Although, the last few years we've had the north south game without the physicality so I don't think we'll see a less physical Devils team next year...would that be possible?
Ideally I'd like to see a mix and hopefully the more enjoyable aspects of both styles of hockey will rub off on the players within next years team
Interestingly PR singles out Belfast in the interview who for mine have been the most physical team we've played against this season by a stretch (the odd Steelers game aside) They just have bags of speed and skill to go with it. I'd take watching a Belfast style team assembled next year no problem
In fairness, I think that it's a reactionary move rather than anything else.
As Stub says, from the NHL down the game is changing and now foul play is being dealt with increasingly through the disciplinary process rather then on the ice. I enjoy the fights as part of the tactical make up of a hockey game. I don't want to see them disappear and think the instigator rule has a lot to answer for.
However, the game is only going one way and I can see why clubs would take an 'if you can't beat them join them' stance. Particularly as the Devils seem to get dealt with unjustly time after time when things go to the disciplinary process.
That said, continental European players are easily physical enough when it comes to hitting, it's just the fighting aspect that dwindles. Although, the last few years we've had the north south game without the physicality so I don't think we'll see a less physical Devils team next year...would that be possible?
Ideally I'd like to see a mix and hopefully the more enjoyable aspects of both styles of hockey will rub off on the players within next years team
Interestingly PR singles out Belfast in the interview who for mine have been the most physical team we've played against this season by a stretch (the odd Steelers game aside) They just have bags of speed and skill to go with it. I'd take watching a Belfast style team assembled next year no problem
